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JPMorgan made money that it did not, you would have to say, "deserve" to make

Probably what *this* should be called.
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Post by Doug » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:35 pm

Oh yeah Wolf of Wall Street also really good
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Post by Skeletor » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 pm

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Post by Doug » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:59 pm

Of course, I think we all know what the best movie about the commodities market is
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Skeletor wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 pmawoooooo
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Post by Dantes » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:15 pm

Doug wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:59 pm Of course, I think we all know what the best movie about the commodities market is
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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:34 pm

Was that commodities? I don't remember clearly
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Post by Dantes » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:58 pm

Doug wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:34 pm Was that commodities? I don't remember clearly
I don't recall, I was honestly thinking that you weren't concerned with commodities movies in particular and more Wall Street movies in general.
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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:03 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:58 pm
Doug wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:34 pm Was that commodities? I don't remember clearly
I don't recall, I was honestly thinking that you weren't concerned with commodities movies in particular and more Wall Street movies in general.
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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:12 pm

A good movie teaches you something, ahahahahaha
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Post by Dantes » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:40 pm

I have never actually seen that movie.
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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Dantes wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:40 pm I have never actually seen that movie.
Oh, shit! It's pretty incredible
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Post by Khaos » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:03 pm

Doug wrote:It's pretty incredible
*turns to directly face the camera*

is it

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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:21 pm

Khaos wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:03 pm
Doug wrote:It's pretty incredible
*turns to directly face the camera*

is it
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Post by Doug » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:21 pm

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Post by Blissful » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:55 am

Khaos wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:03 pm
Doug wrote:It's pretty incredible
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Post by Rylinks » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:22 pm

But realistically the biggest and most immediate problem was the disappointed looks. This would mostly happen over phone calls, so you had to imagine the disappointed looks, but that was not hard to do.

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Post by Rylinks » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:31 pm

whoops! Your counterparty is Lehman Brothers. You could call them, but they won’t send you the money.

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Post by Rylinks » Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:01 pm

If you attract customers and investors by saying that you have good risk management, and then you lose their money, and then you say “oh sorry we had bad risk management,” that is not a defense against fraud charges! That is a confession!

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Post by Skeletor » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:03 am

Imagine being the lawyer hired to help steal one month’s salary from a laid-off kitchen staff member to give to the second-richest person in the world. Imagine thinking that was an ethical thing to do. Obviously the second-richest person in the world is going to pay you more to steal money from the kitchen staff than the kitchen staff will pay you to stop him. Nevertheless!
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:36 pm

If Twitter’s strategy is to just not pay bills, well, it has $1.2 billion of interest bills to pay each year, and surely Musk is curious about what will happen if he doesn’t pay those. I certainly am! The obvious standard analysis is “Musk’s banks will call a default, put Twitter into bankruptcy, and seize it for themselves,” and I have to say I don’t see it? If I were the Morgan Stanley banker in charge of launching a legal fight against Elon Musk where the prize is owning Twitter, I would quit?

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Post by Skeletor » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:39 pm

i didn't get that, owning twitter seems fine
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:43 pm

Does it? Twitter's cashflows are negative, even without the loans weighing it down. They were negative before Musk took over, and have gotten worse since then.

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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:46 pm

Like if someone didn't mention Twitter and just told you "I have this business, it's been losing about $1 million per day for the last 8 years, but it's recently come under new management and now it's losing $4 million per day, would you like it?" I'm not sure it would be wise to take that business for free.

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Post by Doug » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:51 pm

Are its assets worth more than its total share value
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:52 pm

absolutely not

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Post by Doug » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:57 pm

I didn't think so but I thought I should make sure
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:57 pm

Ashenai wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:46 pm Like if someone didn't mention Twitter and just told you "I have this business, it's been losing about $1 million per day for the last 8 years, but it's recently come under new management and now it's losing $4 million per day, would you like it?" I'm not sure it would be wise to take that business for free.
(this is hyperbole, obviously you could take it for free and then strip it for parts. but the point is that the money the banks would get for the parts are likely not going to cover the loan! which is why the loan is currently trading at 60 cents on the dollar IIRC)

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Post by Crunchums » Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:07 pm

even if the business blows up i have a hard time imagining that twitter will end up shuttered as a result
some other person will buy it in bankruptcy and then try to make it work; there's too much value to already occupying the role of "THE public square social media"
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Post by Skeletor » Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:10 pm

Ashenai wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:46 pm Like if someone didn't mention Twitter and just told you "I have this business, it's been losing about $1 million per day for the last 8 years, but it's recently come under new management and now it's losing $4 million per day, would you like it?" I'm not sure it would be wise to take that business for free.
well obviously if you only tell me the bad things i won't take it

how much of the extra losses is from the loan itself? you also can't count that here
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Post by Ashenai » Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:12 pm

That really depends on how you define "value"

Because turns out that being the global public square is INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE

So where's the value? The reason Twitter stock price was quite high was because of what you said. Being a globally known brand and the de facto "town square" has got to be monetizable, right? ...Somehow? Eventually?

Well, maybe it is, but Twitter hasn't found the way to do it in the last 10 years, and right now it doesn't look like Elon is going to find the way, either.

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