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The rebellion and insurrection point is important language for the marketing campaign portion of this. If you can get people to accept the idea that this was an insurrection and tie that to Trump, then you can start making 14th Amendment arguments.
Not that it would stand up in any court other than the Court of Public opinion.
Not that it would stand up in any court other than the Court of Public opinion.
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I just saw that there's 70 convictions for 1512, but still all of them might fall depending on a coming DC circuit ruling
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the 1512 charges are a bit of a reach but the government is really trying to get convictions beyond tresspassing or disorderly conduct because of how they view this as a serious event
e: reach meaning that the government took an expansive reading of a catchall section of a law about witness tampering and falsifying documents
e: reach meaning that the government took an expansive reading of a catchall section of a law about witness tampering and falsifying documents
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Well no, in fact there's this dude who just showed us that "Q Shaman" Jake Angeli was convicted of obstructing an official proceeding despite being led around by Capitol Police on a virtual tour of the Capitol and not told by them that he is obstructing anything and must leave
Some dude named Tucker Carlson showed us this just this week
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thats fucked up but also the amount of jailed time was fucked up to begin with
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I'm so glad you went there, because it gives me a chance to link to analysis about that from an experienced prosecutor with unimpeachable conservative credentials.Doug wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:58 pmWell no, in fact there's this dude who just showed us that "Q Shaman" Jake Angeli was convicted of obstructing an official proceeding despite being led around by Capitol Police on a virtual tour of the Capitol and not told by them that he is obstructing anything and must leave
Some dude named Tucker Carlson showed us this just this week
Tucker is selling you a narrative. He is a known bad actor. Taking anything he shows you, and in particular anything he says about what he shows you, uncritically at face value is a fools game.
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Yeah, that's my take as well.Rylinks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:51 pm the 1512 charges are a bit of a reach but the government is really trying to get convictions beyond tresspassing or disorderly conduct because of how they view this as a serious event
e: reach meaning that the government took an expansive reading of a catchall section of a law about witness tampering and falsifying documents
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do you think 41 months is a suitable amount of time for what he did, as the author of that article seems to think?
it does make sense that the police are not going to try and arrest non-violent protestors/rioters/insurrectionists/whatevers
it does make sense that the police are not going to try and arrest non-violent protestors/rioters/insurrectionists/whatevers
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Considering that the maximum penalty is twenty years? I'm fine with that sentence. Whether the US over criminalizes things and whether US criminal penalties are entirely too harsh are different questions. In the context of this crime, he got off with a relative slap on the wrist that will see him serve a year or so and then likely send him home if he keeps his head down.
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lolDuring the presidency of Barack Obama, McCarthy characterized Obama as a radical and a socialist, and authored a book alleging that Obama was advancing a "Sharia Agenda".
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the maximum doesn't mean anything--in the sentencing guidelines the offense is level 14, which carries 15-21 months of imprisonment with no criminal history, so the court either found aggravating factors, he had criminal history, or the court chose to depart from the sentancing guidelines because of the unusual nature of January 6Dantes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:27 pmConsidering that the maximum penalty is twenty years? I'm fine with that sentence. Whether the US over criminalizes things and whether US criminal penalties are entirely too harsh are different questions. In the context of this crime, he got off with a relative slap on the wrist that will see him serve a year or so and then likely send him home if he keeps his head down.
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the problem with this guy is that he's not thinking deep enough.Dantes wrote:
I'm so glad you went there, because it gives me a chance to link to analysis about that from an experienced prosecutor with unimpeachable conservative credentials.
Tucker is selling you a narrative. He is a known bad actor. Taking anything he shows you, and in particular anything he says about what he shows you, uncritically at face value is a fools game.
if the worst thing to happen to america since 9/11 was a political plot, let's say, and let's say a team has actually used it, then i think ... maybe conspiratorially, we could maybe perhaps also think that a non violent weirdo getting toured around the building by cops could maybe possibly have gotten put there.
like, maybe, perhaps, a team wanted this to happen. made this happen! there is video evidence of people being pulled inside by at least one d00d with an ear piece.
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two additional factors "U.S.S.G. §2J1.2(b)(1)(B) because the offense involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person in order to obstruct the administration of justice, which garners an additional 8 points, and U.S.S.G. § 2J1.2(b)(2) for substantial interference with the administration of justice, which adds 3 points.", which leads to a guideline of 41-51 months, and he got the low end of the rangeRylinks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:36 pmthe maximum doesn't mean anything--in the sentencing guidelines the offense is level 14, which carries 15-21 months of imprisonment with no criminal history, so the court either found aggravating factors, he had criminal history, or the court chose to depart from the sentancing guidelines because of the unusual nature of January 6Dantes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:27 pmConsidering that the maximum penalty is twenty years? I'm fine with that sentence. Whether the US over criminalizes things and whether US criminal penalties are entirely too harsh are different questions. In the context of this crime, he got off with a relative slap on the wrist that will see him serve a year or so and then likely send him home if he keeps his head down.
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I did find it funny that McCarthy talked about how it was a mistake to give the footage to an opinion journalist, and that it should have instead gone to an objective, centre-right journalist.
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That's very fair. And to be clear before, when I said "I dunno about Dantes" I meant that in the sense of "I don't want to speak for Dantes". Realised after it could be taken as implying more.Dantes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:17 pmI don't want to minimize it, and that feels like minimizing it. It was appalling, it was unprecedented, and it Trump was morally and ethically, if not legally, culpable for what happened. It still wasn't a rebellion or an insurrection.Magical wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:31 pm Maybe you can add some extra importance to the events when you consider the pretexts about stolen elections and where they occurred, but back in the day I definitely remember it being presented like, they forced entry and swiped some souvenirs. Perhaps moreso by certain grobot posters than an American media I don't watch, though.
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We're cool.Magical wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:46 amThat's very fair. And to be clear before, when I said "I dunno about Dantes" I meant that in the sense of "I don't want to speak for Dantes". Realised after it could be taken as implying more.Dantes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:17 pmI don't want to minimize it, and that feels like minimizing it. It was appalling, it was unprecedented, and it Trump was morally and ethically, if not legally, culpable for what happened. It still wasn't a rebellion or an insurrection.Magical wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:31 pm Maybe you can add some extra importance to the events when you consider the pretexts about stolen elections and where they occurred, but back in the day I definitely remember it being presented like, they forced entry and swiped some souvenirs. Perhaps moreso by certain grobot posters than an American media I don't watch, though.
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I think electrics are here to stay, if the performance keeps increasing like this
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The House of Representatives on Friday unanimously voted to declassify information on possible links between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Covid-19 pandemic, sending the bill to President Joe Biden.
The Senate also voted unanimously earlier this month to require Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines to declassify such information.
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It was a good read and I'm duly mad at the mainstream media, but I can't help but raise the minor objection that the right's media lies to them even harder. Yeah yeah I know this is whataboutism but come on man.
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i dont know about even harder, but sure.
the problem is the left is the mainstream wrt news media. theyre supposed to be the trusted institution. theyre supposed to be better. weve had like three issues in a row now where the mainstream media has been acting as a propaganda arm of the democrat party (trump/russia, covid, and january 6th).
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I'm struggling with how much the media is at fault for their reporting on January 6th. I mean it sure as shit looked bad, and I don't get the impression that folks in the media were deliberately lying about it. I think it really took the new footage coming out to put it in a different light.
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i might be biased. here are a selection of things i said in this thread january 6, 2021 to january 8, 2021:
seathesee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:27 am its funny. youd think this would be something id be worried about, but after the months of rioting just across the river, and the fact that todays events are way over there, and confined to a very small area, and have absolutely no chance of accomplishing anything other than the death, injury, or imprisonment of the participants, this just feels like a slightly below average stress typical day.
seathesee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:45 amim not sure the point youre making i guess. a lot of things could have happened. none of the really bad ones did. they could have blown up the capitol building. they didnt. they trespassed. they stole things. they took selfies. pretty tame for a riot compared to what weve seen the past 365 days.
to me, this was all pretty obviously overblown from the get go.
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Oh yeah I remember having an argument with my wife immediately afterward about whether you could call it a coup. It was clearly not a coup! But she wasn't lying, you know? Just kind of arguing from a biased position.
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Everybody remembers that protestors scream and yell and interrupt sessions of Congress, confirmation hearings, etc. all the time, right
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This is weak sauce.
The purpose of the media is to report the news without fear or favor. Fidelity to the truth is supposed to be the only thing that matters. Once a news organization starts lying to its audience, it doesn't matter that some other news org arguably did it even harder.
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the purpose of the media has never been achieved in US history
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The issue list is much larger and the problem has been around for a long time: Dan Rather, Jayson Blair, Rolling Stone: A Rape on Campus, Steven Glass, Nicholas Sandman reporting, Jussie Smollett, NBC protecting Harvey Weinstein, Kyle Rittenhouse reporting, I could go on.seathesee wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:31 pmi dont know about even harder, but sure.
the problem is the left is the mainstream wrt news media. theyre supposed to be the trusted institution. theyre supposed to be better. weve had like three issues in a row now where the mainstream media has been acting as a propaganda arm of the democrat party (trump/russia, covid, and january 6th).
There is a reason that public trust in the media has utterly cratered.
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